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Posted by brainbox, 11-24-2000, 01:06 PM
Hi, I actually just received the shock of my life. Okay it's been a while since I've had to list any sites with any search engines and I went to Yahoo! to list my hosting business site with them, and now find that it's impossible to list it in the business and economy sections without paying them $199.00 Okay I have no problem paying them $199.00 but for that they are not even willing to guarentee that the site will be listed, and as their past history (as far as Im concerned) shows they totally usually disregard your own description even if it is concise and to the point and insert one of their own. And try to change that through their change form, forget it! We listed one clients site with them, but they decided to put no description at all, the client has asked us to try and change that, so we use their change form and nothing, it never gets changed, that is to say, they are refusing to put a description at all, they just leave it with the title of the website. Any how, where all are you folks listing your webhosting business's on the net? Are you paying the likes of the Yahoo Extortion? Are you paying the extortion of Looksmart too? Sorry, Im sure some of you will disagree that it's extortion, its just my whacky sence of ME ME ME, It's all about me <> Thanks for any info and tips. Bbox

Posted by akashik, 11-24-2000, 01:42 PM
Yeah I saw that myself a few nights ago. Just chuckled to myself and moved on. I used to be a huge fan of Yahoo! for net searching but the past few years have seen me changing over to others as I just never found anything I was looking for through it. Google for me now. As for submission I've just gone through the sites on the front page of http://www.hostcompare.com It's a pretty big list and took me the better part of a full night to get through them all. (well the applicable ones anyway). I suppose at least with them, you're aiming at a target audience. You just have a few thousand other hosts there to compete with as well goto.com seems to be a 50/50 option. Some people love it, some loathe it. I suppose it depends on your budget. Yet to try it out as it crashed my browser the night I was looking into it. Greg Moore

Posted by Jaiem, 11-24-2000, 03:13 PM
Brain, Unless Yahoo has just changed things there should be a free listing option too. It doesn't guarantee a review or listing but it is there (at least it was about 2 weeks ago). I've been able to get some sites listed for free, others are no-go's so far. Don't know anyone who paid the $199 and didn't get listed however. I think you'd have to have a pretty cr*ppy web site not to get listed for your $199. BTW, Looksmart also has the $199 guaranteed review (but not listed) program.

Posted by Wazeh, 11-24-2000, 08:46 PM
I was shocked just as much 2 nights ago when I went to Yahoo! for the same purpose of registering my hosting business And the free option is no longer available for commercial sites You have to pay the $199 and you are not guaranteed anything. Of course, I read that and i clicked away. What do you people think of dmoz.org?

Posted by BC, 11-24-2000, 08:52 PM
DMoz is quite useful, because it will also get you listed on some other major search engines as well (I think of the Inktomi type).

Posted by brainbox, 11-24-2000, 10:10 PM
Hi Jaiem, Yup they just changed things, they now state on a faq page that they no longer accept free listings in the business and economy sections of their service, you must pay them the 199.00 to even entertain the notion that they may list you there, and again like looksmart, there is no guarantee that they will list you, only that they will review your submission. I dont think there is any problem with them listing me, as Im not anything offensive, but I do have a problem that if they butcher my listing then there is a problem after paying them 2 hundered dollars. Anyway, they are still accepting free listings in everything else but business and economy and all subsections of that. Regards, Bbox

Posted by Paul_Szymanski, 11-25-2000, 10:03 AM
Brainbox, Goto can work as long as you don't bid on any of the high money terms. If you do you are just asking your competitors to click away on your listing. Supposedly, goto has a "filtering" technology so this will not happen. However, they have never shown anyone this method and it is next to near impossible to get a listing of IP's that clicked through. Good luck.

Posted by MadMax82, 11-25-2000, 10:29 AM
Yahoo has been VERY selective on the business listings for the past several months. We have gotten pages listed in other areas for free but no business pages in the past 4 months despite clearly meeting the criteria they list. I can slightly vouch for the paid service in that we had one client get listed with a distinctly average site by paying the $199. We also watched a competitor get a page listed using the same method despite having a VERY marginal site! (Can you say web design and cake decorating services offered on the same web page!!!). I am curious though if other folks get the traffic from Yahoo which would make it worth it. Used to be that was the case but the others seem to be catching up. Thoughts?

Posted by Chicken, 11-25-2000, 10:34 AM
I'm sorry, but WTF??? What the hell is this??? Can you imagine this at similar or other businesses? Go to the L.A. Times and pay them $200 to *consider* your classifieds ad? They might print it. Go to the car wash and pay $xx and they'll *consider* washing your car? Nice. WebHostingTalk has decided upon a new membership money maker. We no longer allow free memberships. Please send a check for $200 to be *considered*. You'd think Yahoo isn't making money off the banner ads, eh? Hmmmm... ahhhhhh now I see.

Posted by MadMax82, 11-25-2000, 10:42 AM
I completely agree! Yahoo has been a true pain when it comes to submissions. Also I just checked and it appears that they are posting somewhat contradictory information on the site. I was able to just submit a local business site with the automated system but according to this link: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/bizex/bizex-08.html In "particular" categories they require the business "express" model. Go figure. I will let y'all know if they ever accept the site I just submitted. Such fun.....

Posted by brainbox, 11-25-2000, 01:34 PM
Yeah, I fired up Traffic Builder 4.0 and submitted that way through the automated software to the same directory in Yahoo, and it said, thanks, info received, we'll let you know. I know already, they just wont accept it through without paying them the money, the difference is that when going automated, the auto software goes through the backend, it already know the general cgi and just adds all the necessary fields to make it complete, so it accepts it anyway, but they are still a human directory and need to have every listing approved by a staff member. Good Luck to all. Bbox

Posted by MadMax82, 11-25-2000, 01:47 PM
Actually we do all of our Yahoo submissions manually just to be sure. The free option was showing for some local areas within the business listings but of course I'll bet they will never show up.

Posted by brainbox, 11-25-2000, 01:56 PM
Yup, I just went to list us in the california web hosting directory which still allows free listings, but as you say, I bet it will never show up. Oh well, it's time to go to that other site that someone mentioned earlier in this tread and start listing with all the applicable sites listed there.

Posted by BC, 11-25-2000, 06:29 PM
Chicken, unfortunately the $199 option was instituted back around April/May, because of the volume of entries they were getting. Basically it's the same revenue model as Looksmart has. And yes, I do agree it's quite frankly frigging stupid. Reports over on SitePoint suggests that even if you manage to get your site submitted on to Yahoo! after paying the $199 it's still quite easy to have the site removed by a Yahoo! editor after a few weeks just because it's in the wrong directory. You have been warned.

Posted by MadMax82, 11-25-2000, 06:35 PM
Geez ya gotta be kidding! And where is the appeal process for this!!! It was our impression that once you got in as long as your site was up you were ok. In our local listing we have a site that has basically one page and clearly does not have the advertised content (think static splash business page for a supposedly comprehensive local directory). This page has been in the directory for over a year now and not been dropped. I will definately keep this in mind when advising clients. They would of course be a bit pissed if they got dropped that easily (as would we). So is anybody getting tons of traffic from Yahoo around here?

Posted by Chicken, 11-25-2000, 07:50 PM
I saw that, but wasn't aware of the reason... wrong directory? What does that mean? Like catagory? What is the function of the editors there? Isn't that what they do? Review the site and place it in the proper place? I don't get it, but am anti-$200-for-review. Blah.

Posted by BC, 11-25-2000, 07:54 PM
That's correct...

Posted by Karl Austin, 11-25-2000, 09:48 PM
Well Yahoo! is on to something (Financially of course and not to the benefit of the net population). The current rate of submissions at $200 is 300 per day so that's a nice $21,840,000 per year in revenue for doing their usuall job. As for appeal process - this is Yahoo!, do you really think that they are going to let you appeal?

Posted by brainbox, 11-25-2000, 09:58 PM
Of course not, and as I said originally, they will butcher your description even if it is concise and to the point with well placed keywords that would allow people to find you in the mass of sites that they list. That is the biggest kick in the pants, no actually the biggest kick in the pants would be if they took your money and didn't list you at all, or as someone else mentioned, if they allowed you to be listed in one category, but then had another editor come along and delete you because your in the wrong category. Harummmmph, BOYCOTT YAHOO CAMPAIGN! Bbox

Posted by Jaiem, 11-25-2000, 10:43 PM
I suppose if they took your money, listed you then dropped you a few weeks later you could sue but who wants to do that. Our other site gets lots of hits from Yahoo but from their association with Google and not the Yahoo index itself. But this new info brings Yahoo into different light. ps- If they only consider free listings for non-commercial sites, what consitutes a "non-commercial" site? Anything other than a .com or .net?

Posted by BC, 11-25-2000, 10:51 PM
I *think* they verify the content (i.e. actually check the site out)..

Posted by brainbox, 11-25-2000, 11:17 PM
They will look at your site, and hey, if it's not commercial then it shouldnt be listed in the business and economy section in the first place and since the rest of listings on yahoo other than the afore mentioned section is still free but with the business express model in place if people want to use that option. I still say, Boycott Yahoo! Show them how you feel, I already wrote them a stronly but politely written feedback and will wait and see if they even bother to reply, Im certainly not holding my breath. Bbox

Posted by MadMax82, 11-26-2000, 12:00 AM
We actually did write to them about two sites that we were having problems with and for one they actually did respond! They simply suggested we resubmit and then refused to answer any of our additional e-mails. We then moved to the manual submit every 3 weeks or so and we have had marginal success overall. Sounds like everyone here is doing fairly well without being listed prominently. We always thought they were the "holy grail" of search engines... Mind you we seem to do fairly well without em but there is always room for improvement!



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